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# RE: OS and TS upload

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- Subject: RE: OS and TS upload
- From: "Mark S Earley" <marke@gesn.com>
- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:00:54 -0400
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- In-reply-to: <000001c21ecf$4ee96f60$2304a8c0@kclark>

Thanks Ken. I agree that this would be a logistical and support nightmare. I do not look forward to it, but many counties in Florida (the F word again) are expecting to have one AVOS and AVTS per precinct due to ADA requirements. I think that it has already been offered to customers as a possibility.

Florida has a rule taking effect “1 Year after funding”, whenever that is, which will require each county to have full ADA voting system capability in each precinct. The expected target for this rule is the Fall 2004 elections. In anticipation of this, a few counties (Volusia comes to mind) have already placed orders for 1 AVTS unit per precinct to work in conjunction with their AVOS. Duval County (Jacksonville FL) has installed enough phone lines (not all activated yet) to support simultaneous dial-ins by AVOS and AVTS units in 275 precincts.

Perhaps the sales guys can get a handle on what pricing structure would bring a profit on this setup and make it a part of their presentations. The fact that most of the customers looking to go this route already have a large investment in GEMS and AVOS (I assume) might make them amenable to a higher pricing structure for the AVTS than someone looking to buy AVTS only.

Mark Earley

850 422-2100 - office/fax

850 322-3226 - cell

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-support@gesn.com [mailto:owner-support@gesn.com]On Behalf Of Ken Clark
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:12 PM
To: support@gesn.com
Subject: RE: OS and TS upload

Don, there are no “present procedures” on this as of yet, since I don’t think anyone has done this in anything but a small test capacity yet.

Mark, your setup will indeed work. Hats off for intuiting the process.

We of course thought about this possibility the day we started work on AVTS integration with GEMS several years ago. We had kinda hoped (faintly) that no one would be actually crazy enough to do it though. Right now the vote center dialog allows you to specify the count method for a vote center, and the number of memory cards. What we would need to do to do this right is to allow the user to specify for the vote center not a single count method, but multiple count methods. Our data structures don’t support this at the moment, so it is not a trivial change unfortunately. Mark’s setup will have to suffice for the interim.

Could one or both of you write up some background on why they want to do this? My main worry is that we can’t possibly make enough money supporting such a complicated configuration. It is basically the worst of both worlds. Don’t get me wrong, GEMS can do it. I just wonder out loud whether this is even something we want to be offering customers. I guess this is an executive committee thing to answer.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-support@gesn.com [mailto:owner-support@gesn.com] On Behalf Of Mark S Earley
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:32 PM
To: support@gesn.com
Subject: RE: OS and TS upload

I need clarification on this also, as most of the Florida counties eventually want one TS and one OS in each precinct. My understanding was that you would create an AVOS memory card and an AVTS memory card for each report precinct – the hard part is doing that. See attached test database for my attempt at this.

While the method was not intuitive, I think I managed to build something that would work by making a separate Counter Group (each with its own Vote Center Type) for the OS precinct machines and the TS precinct machines. My question is would the results from each set of machines (OS and TS) add correctly for each of the reporting precincts?

Also, my understanding is that you would need one set of modem ports for AVOS upload and one set of modem ports for AVTS upload. Each set of ports would have its own rollover phone number. The AVTS ports would also be configured for RAS.

Is this the way to do it?

All of this is just speculation based upon trial and error this past hour. I have not actually downloaded or uploaded any cards or results.

Mark Earley

850 422-2100 - office/fax

850 322-3226 - cell

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-support@gesn.com [mailto:owner-support@gesn.com]On Behalf Of Don Bizmaier
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 2:21 PM
To: support@gesn.com
Subject: OS and TS upload

Can anyone tell me what the present procedures are for uploading results when both OS and TS units are used? I have heard both ways - that they can upload at the same time and that they cannot. If they cannot it is going to be a real problem as juridiction start to use at least one TS in each polling place, which is what many OS customers are looking to do in the future.

Thanks: Don

Donald W. Biszmaier
Support Services Specialist
Diebold Election Systems, Inc.
7717 Greenwood Rd.
Louisville, Ky. 40258
Office 502-244-8645
Cell 502-314-6936
Fax 502-254-7835

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