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# Re: Placer - Shimming Central Count AccuVotes

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- Subject: Re: Placer - Shimming Central Count AccuVotes
- From: "Global Chouteau" <ccglobal@earthlink.net>
- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:40:50 -0600
- References: <038e01c16258$452e7080$1ddcfc9e@default> <003301c0441c$8e551e90$119eb3d1@biz>

Well Don, you have discovered the down side of shimming the reader open. The right and left side of the ballots must pass through the restricted areas on both sides of the reader to prevent double ballot feeds. Nominal ballot thickness runs from .007 to .010 .. If you open the reader up to, lets say .014, then a two ballot feed is completely possible. The wider the gap, the more likely a double (or more) ballot feed...
Just be aware of the problems you can create.......

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Biszmaier
> To: support@gesn.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 9:58 morning
> Subject: Re: Placer - Shimming Central Count AccuVotes
> Steve: Thanks again for your response. I have shimmed out 4 of the units and they are working better. On one I had used some very thin neoprene washers. On testing it was found the unit would accept 2 ballots, which would probably not be as significant a problem with ballots being hand fed. Upon changing to the paper shim used in the other unitd the ballot count was correct on all decks run. It would appear that the ballots are not scored and this may be causing the problem since the fold line is rather thicker than what we usually see. Does this sound feasible? Would scored ballots be a problem when using the feeders - Cause them to tear when being fed? The jammed ballots we have had are really jammed to the point that a good deal tear and cannot be removed from the read head without taking it apart. The majority of the torn portion can sometimes be removed, bot on 4 of the units ballot pieces have been forced into the idler wheels and locked them up.
> I am really open to any suggestions. Right now I would tend to agree with Steve that perhaps we need to look at special units for CC and accu-feed units if the ballot issue were to continue. Could CC units be set to detect ballot thickness to determine a double ballot rather than a physical limitation?
> Thanks: Don

> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steve Knecht
> > To: don@gesn.com ; Global Support
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:06 PM
> > Subject: Placer - Shimming Central Count AccuVotes
> > Per Don Bizmeyer's earlier email regarding central count folded ballots giving alot of errors. I suggested shimming the units. This apparently has helped dramatically. This was done to most units in CA. last year also. This was done in the field by whomever was at the customer site. It was probably done inconsistently and using different shim methods.
> > I am requesting that McKinney manufacturing shim the 5 units to be used for central count for Placer in McKinney. This should not be a "field" operation. We have enough evidence now that folded ballots do not do well with the AccuVote-OS without this shimming and should make some accomodation for this at the point of manufacture.
> > Finally, no one from McKinney responded to Don's request. I find that to be of concern as well.
> > Steve Knecht
> > Global Election Systems
> > 415-893-9941 office 415-893-9951 fax
> > 415-225-6591 cell

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