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# Re: Ovals positioned back to back on ballots.

- To: "Request Change Report" <rcr@dieboldes.com>
- Subject: Re: Ovals positioned back to back on ballots.
- From: "Ian Piper" <ian@dieboldes.com>
- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:37:22 -0600
- References: <001701bf35c6$2ef83b40$d95f0b9a@greg>

Again I state:
Bleed through is always a possibility even if the voter doesn't use a Sharpie.
Ian

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Forsythe
> To: Request Change Report
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 9:19 AM
> Subject: Fw: Ovals positioned back to back on ballots.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Forsythe
> To: Ian Piper
> Sent: November 23, 1999 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Ovals positioned back to back on ballots.
> I disagree with Sophia. (brave or foolish?) This potential restriction would make it very difficult to build public opinion poll, census and survey ballots where 16 channels across are used.
> Canadian elections use Sanford Expresso Bold pens where ever possible. Although this pen has no carbon in the ink, (required for infrared Accu-Votes) Canada does not have any infrared Accu-Votes in the field.
> The Expresso is a water based pen as opposed to the Sharpie alcohol based pen, therefore does not soak through, does not dry out, (to produce poor marks) has a strong fiber tip, and produces a filled oval with minimal effort. Available at office outlet stores, etc.
> I would like to see this particular pen included in the approved marking instrument section of our specifications for visible light only.

> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ian Piper
> > To: Request For Change
> > Sent: November 23, 1999 8:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: Ovals positioned back to back on ballots.
> > I agree with Sophia. We have little control over the type of pen that gets used for marking ballots. Bleed through is always a possibility even if the voter doesn't use a Sharpie. GEMS should restrict the placement of ovals back to back.
> > Ian

> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Sophia Lee
> > > To: Tyler ; Request For Change
> > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 1:05 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Ovals positioned back to back on ballots.
> > > Since Global does not have a mandatory requirement on marking instruments
> > > for the ballots, customers may choose pens other than the Global
> > > recommendations (Eberhart Faber) for economic reasons. Like the Sharpies,
> > > those pens may cause bleed through on certain type of paper. To avoid any
> > > sort of "bleed through" problem, I believe that the solution be handled in
> > > GEMS.
> > > Perhaps, we should suggest that it be handled in GEMS as well as removing
> > > the Sharpies from the list of approved ballot marking instruments.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tyler [mailto:tyler@dieboldes.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 10:11 AM
> > > To: sophia@dieboldes.com; Request For Change
> > > Subject: Re: Ovals positioned back to back on ballots.
> > > I have been aware for some time (from personal experience) that Sharpie pens
> > > cause bleed through on ballots and could cause a problem if ovals on the
> > > front and back were ever back to back.
> > > How about if we remove Sharpie pens from the list of approved ballot marking
> > > instruments and train our customers not to use Sharpie pens? This seems
> > > like the easy, low-tech solution.
> > > Tyler
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sophia Lee <sophia@dieboldes.com>
> > > To: Request For Change <rcr@dieboldes.com>
> > > Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:53 AM
> > > Subject: Ovals positioned back to back on ballots.
> > > >RCR: sl-112099-01
> > > >Requested: November 20, 1999
> > > >Required: December 15 1999
> > > >County: King County, WA
> > > >Election: February 29, 2000
> > > >
> > > >The election in King County on November 2, 1999 went well. However, we did
> > > >have a "bleed-through" problem from the Sharpie Pens.
> > > >There were a lot of races and issues in this November election resulting in
> > > >some 450 ballot styles. Unfortunately, a couple of the ovals on the
> > > Seattle
> > > >ballots were back to back. Some of the marks on the front of the ballot
> > > >bled through to the ovals on the back of the ballots causing a race on the
> > > >back to register as over-votes. This was detected and corrected within 2
> > > >hours of the opening of the polls.
> > > >Since Sharpies are still approved ballot marking instruments (according to
> > > >Ian), request that GEMS automatically detect if the ovals for any ballot
> > > are
> > > >back to back and either
> > > >a) provide an exception report identifying the ballot styles with back to
> > > >back ovals or
> > > >b) automatically adjust the oval column for the ballot.

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    - From: "Greg Forsythe" <gfglobal@earthlink.net>

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