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# Re: Open Primary Election on AVTS

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- Subject: Re: Open Primary Election on AVTS
- From: "Steve Knecht" <skglobal@earthlink.net>
- Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:53:17 -0700
- References: <NEBBKFCCEMBGHBMPAPLOOEBBCFAA.don@gesn.com>

Ok. That makes sense and emphasizes the point I'm making. Our software design is dependent on more than just the term "open" or "closed" primary. The design must also reflect the point at which the voter is required to "declare" their party. In some environments, (they seem to change all the time), the voter has to declare before the close of voter registration, others at the registration table at election day, and others would like to do it when the voter inserts a card into the AVTS. Each of these means a different operation for the software. I was just trying to clarify what it was that Jeff meant by "open" primary. Hope I didn't confuse the issue.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don V
> To: support@gesn.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:37 AM
> Subject: RE: Open Primary Election on AVTS

> For instance in Michigan, a voter would sign in and be given a voter card. They do not have to declare a party to the poll judges. When the voter card in inserted into the TS unit, the first screen that comes up is the different party names, like when you select what language you want. They would select at that time the party they wish to vote in, and then from that point on, that would be the only party ballot that they will see and be able to vote on.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-support@gesn.com [mailto:owner-support@gesn.com]On Behalf Of Steve Knecht
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:26 PM
> To: support@gesn.com
> Subject: Re: Open Primary Election on AVTS

> What do you mean by open primary? Can you describe to me what it is that doesn't work on the AVTS?

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Jeff Hintz

> To: support@gesn.com

> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:39 AM

> Subject: RE: Open Primary Election on AVTS

> PSINet has set up 4 different election scenarios in GEMS, based upon a Test Scripts document that we sent to them. Those test scripts include 1) Open Primary; 2) Closed Primary; 3) General Election; and 4) Advanced Options within a General Election. These have all been tested within GEMS and a AccuVote for version 1.11.13.5. They are now testing GEMS 1.17.11.3 with both a AccuVote and a AVTS with these same test scripts. That is where we encountered the problem with the AVTS and a Open Primary. As you state Ken, they are only testing the GEMS software, so yes they can and probably will Certify GEMS with the exception that open primaries do not currently work with the AVTS.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-support@gesn.com [mailto:owner-support@gesn.com]On Behalf Of Ken Clark
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:20 PM
> To: support@gesn.com
> Subject: RE: Open Primary Election on AVTS

> This doesn't make sense. PSINet does not certify the AVTS. I'd add that we don't have any AVTS open primary customers, and aren't likely to have one any time soon. I suggest that PSINet concern itself with GEMS. If they want to attach a proviso saying that open primaries are not NASED certified when used in conjunction with the AVTS, that's fine. It works with AVOS. If they want GEMS to put up an error if you try to download an open primary to an R4 AVTS, that can be arranged.

> And yes, the R6 supports open primaries.

> I stress however that what the R6 can and cannot do is beside the point. Say we add support for cross endorsement in GEMS for the AVOS only before cross endorsement is implemented on the AVTS. This isn't a hypothetical: it will probably happen that way. Just because we implement a feature for one of our voting machines doesn't mean it has to be implemented in all of them for GEMS to be certified. I challenge them to point out where in the FEC rules it says that all voting machines have to implement all voting rules. If they think this is a requirement, I'd like to have a short discussion with them about our competition's products.

> Ken

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-support@gesn.com [mailto:owner-support@gesn.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Hintz
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:42 PM
> To: Support Team (E-mail)
> Subject: Open Primary Election on AVTS

> Within our current GEMS 1.17.11 and AVTS 3.13.9.2, we do not support an Open Primary Election on the AVTS systems. I am currently here in Huntsville, AL and doing testing with PSINet, where we have encountered this problem. In order to certify, we need to show the ability to do an Open Primary Election on the AVTS system. Is this going to be supported in the new R-6 system???

> JEFF HINTZ

> Global Election Systems

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  - RE: Open Primary Election on AVTS
    - From: "Don V" <don@gesn.com>

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